Governor Continues to Speak Out Against Ban

When Governor Doyle recently sat down to talk with the editors of Colombia County's Daily Register and the Baraboo News Republic, he again listed the reasons he opposes the civil unions and marriage ban:
In regard to the constitutional amendment on the November ballot that would prohibit same-sex marriage and civil unions, he said current law is "as clear as it could be" -- marriage is between a husband and a wife. Therefore, he said the amendment is unnecessary.

In 2003, Doyle vetoed a bill that would have defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman because he said state law already makes that distinction.

"When I was attorney general I interpreted it to mean like most people interpret, that means a man and a woman," he said. "This isn't about gay marriage, which is already prohibited."

He questioned why the amendment is on the ballot in November, at the same time he will be running for re-election. Because of the controversial nature of the amendment, the turnout is expected to be high, especially among more conservative voters, which could hurt Democrat Doyle's campaign.

"Everbody knows that's the purpose of it. If they (the Republican-controlled Legislature) had passed it in January ... it would have been on the April ballot.

"That's fine. That's the game they're playing," he said.

He said part of the referendum concerned him because it would prevent both same-sex and opposite-sex couples from having a legally recognized union other than marriage, he said. The amendment would prevent people from having a longtime partner make medical decisions for them or leaving the partner money in a way a spouse would receive it.


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11 Comments:

At 11:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, but this is sort of sad. His main opposition is the fact the gay people are already unworthy of marriage. Gee, thanks Governor Doyle.

 
At 12:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, but Doyle is not the enemy here. Please don't be distracted. He's guiding the mainstream, and he's an ally we need. Don't let us get further divided here, and stay focused on the prize. Hey, I voted for Ed Thompson, but Doyle won, and if he's educating people to be against the amendment, we can't ask for much more. The opposition wants him to take a harder line against it (they hope, that is, that such a line would cause voters to vote him out and the amendment in).

 
At 12:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I didn't say Doyle was the enemy, but he's not really helping in my opinion. Telling people they should oppose the amendment because it double bans same-sex marriage doesn't get us anywhere. He won't be getting my vote in November unless he steps up to the plate. I'm tired of all this whimpiness and I'm especially tired that we gays let them get away with this.

 
At 1:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uh, yeah - thanks a lot Governor Doyle! Why is it that the only way so many of our supposed allies can object to the amendment is to say "it's already illegal." That REALLY sends a positive message of support to the people of this state, doesn't it? There are some very simple and powerful ways Doyle and other Dems can object to the amendment and support gays in this state, but the simple fact is that they don't want to - for fear that they will be seen as "radical liberals." The Righties aren't afraid of being labelled conservative, so why are so many of us afraid of being labelled as liberal? I agree with the last anonymous poster here - none of these Dems will be getting my vote in November (or anytime after) until they can come out and support us wholly.

 
At 1:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, I have to write again. To the person who said we need to stay focused and not divide further - well, that's really Doyle's fault and the fault of other wishy-washy Dems, isn't it? I think more gay people should step out of the closet and stop being thankful for every small bone that's thrown their way, and start demanding full and equal pretections, treatment and support from the government and the public at large.

 
At 1:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, I have to write again. To the person who said we need to stay focused and not divide further - well, that's really Doyle's fault and the fault of other wishy-washy Dems, isn't it? I think more gay people should step out of the closet and stop being thankful for every small bone that's thrown their way, and start demanding full and equal pretections, treatment and support from the government and the public at large.

 
At 10:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, another "anonymous" here. While I certainly understand your frustration with the governor's tepid opposition to the ban, and often share in it, I can also see his view. The current language of "husband and wife" has served the state since it was written, and there's really no reason to think a court would rule otherwise.

Have any same-sex couples challenged that language in a lawsuit? None that I've heard of, and I think this blog would have mentioned any such action. If there were such a case, I don't think any judge would take it upon her/himself to change the definitions of husband or wife. More likely, a judge would give the plaintiffs a dictionary, order them to look up both words, and dismiss their case. This is the point the governor is trying to make when he says the first sentence of the proposed amendment is just unecessary.

That said, I too wish he would speak up against that nasty second sentence. I don't care what the state would call equal responsibilities and benefits as long as there's a possibility we could have them. I'm a lesbian who would love equal legal protections for me and my "wife" of nearly 11 years.

 
At 5:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Original anonymous here. I don't agree with you at all about the courts. It's certainly possible for the courts to strike down the law...it happened in MA and will happen in other states, probably this year.

Nobody will buy that argument..and it's the weakest support of us imaginable.

The rights and protections are crucial. But personally, I do care that the word we get is the same as everyone else. Otherwise, nobody knows what it means and we get no additional respect for our relationships. Not what everyone is looking for, I know, but it's where we should be headed.

 
At 10:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we're all in agreement that the "the amendment is unecessary" argument is weak, but it's also valid, and one more piece of ammunition to defeat the proposed amendment.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my memory of the Massachusetts case is the case was not so much about the wording in their constitution (man/woman or husband/wife), but rather that any ban on same-sex marriage violated their equal protection clause, so the situation in our states right now is not truly comparable. Gundrum, et al are claiming judges will reinterpret the wording, and Doyle and I are saying that's a pretty unlikely scenario.

I do understand and can appreciate the desire to have all marriages called marriages, but regardless of how it's codified, I think colloquially people will use the term marriage because it's the most familiar and convenient term to use, just as I refer to my same-sex partner as my "wife." Let's get the rights first, and the language will follow, vernacularly at least.

 
At 3:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're right about Massachusetts, but that's my point. The "unnecessary" argument holds no water, because based on what happened in MA, the same could and probably would happen here eventually.

If it were one piece of many, that would be one thing, but that's the first and foremost argument I hear most often. Just doesn't really get us anywhere...doesn't tell people why we should move forward.

Anyway, we'll all be fighting for the same result in the end.

 
At 7:12 PM, Blogger Tom in Rhinelander said...

I think Governor Doyle is making a big mistake not standing up for what is right and just. The right wing demagogues will be looking to speak to their base to get out the vote. Governor Doyle’s response does nothing to speak to his base. Rather it tries to win over the center. This didn’t work for Gore, this didn’t work for Kerry and I predict it won’t work for Doyle. He should be speaking to Gay and Lesbian families and their friends and relatives and the people who support justice. People who have been loyal supporters for the Democratic Party need to be reminded about the importance of voting for what is just and right. He needs to say this will engrain discrimination into our constitution and future generations will need to undo this harsh measure. Constitutions are necessary to protect the rights of the minority not to promote discrimination. He needs to say that this amendment and the rhetoric around it sends the message that Gay and Lesbian people are not equal which emboldens those who would commit violent acts. He needs to say that Gay and Lesbian people pay their taxes, contribute to society, and are valuable assets that shouldn’t be driven to Canada or Mass. I’ll be voting no on the amendment and no to Governor Doyle if he does not change his tune.

 

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