Tate on WPR's Ideas Network

This morning Campaign Manager Mike Tate went head to head with Julaine Appling, the president of Vote Yes for Marriage. They had an hour on the Joy Cardin Show which is now archived and available for listening.


At 3:30 PM, Blogger Matt Berg said...

It's amazing that almost every caller on this show was on our side. Granted, it's public radio, but it also says something about our message and our ability to reach out and create buzz.

At 3:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

good to see all the support out there.

I only heard the end of the show this morning. One suggestion - next time the whole "this is about creating motherless and fatherless children" thing comes up, would you please point out that there are ALREADY kids in these families! This isn't some theoretical thing (and it's not like passing this amendment would make more pepole get married anyway), they are already here and unless (until) Appling and her ilk try to take them away, they are here and they need the protections everyone is talking about!

At 7:19 PM, Blogger Josh said...

The thing I love about listening to Mike Tate talk (especially when side by side with Ms. Appling) is how incredibly respectful and intelligent he is. Way to go Mike.

At 8:47 PM, Anonymous Keith said...

Julaine says some crazy things!

"Marriage is not about benefits."

So it's just the word "marriage?"

Two minutes later: "This is not about rights, it's about benefits."

So it's about the word "benefits?"

At 8:54 PM, Anonymous Keith said...

Generally a good job, Mike. You get better at this gig all the time.

My feedback? More specific examples! You do a good job of reminding us of all the groups who support the NO effort, and why they support us.

But one of the tricks that GW Bush uses in his speeches is ALWAYS to mention regular folks by name. "Farmer Joe lost Daddy's farm due to the death tax."

Take the stories from the story project, maybe. And tote these beautiful folks out every time you make an appearance.

Who was denied a hospital visit?

Who lost their house?

Who was denied health insurance?

These stories are something that Julaine can never have. She will never be able to drag out a once happily married couple whose marriage was ruined by the gay couple down the street who got married in Holland.

At 9:52 PM, Blogger Jenn said...

Way to go, Mike. Great job.

I especially loved how Julaine keeps coming back to "what's best for children", and the dozens of research studies that claim that father/mother households are better for kids. As a counselor for children, I'm familiar with these studies. They are claiming that two-parent households are ideal AS OPPOSED TO SINGLE-PARENT HOUSEHOLDS, not as opposed to gay parent households. And the "inconclusive" studies on the child-rearing abilities of gay parents? They've been conducted since the 70s and they're more conclusive than she would like to admit.

The irony is that this whole argument is moot, because the amendment is not about who can be the better parent. Gay marriage is already illegal, but she keeps forgetting that.

At 10:29 PM, Blogger Marlin said...

Around the Madison Chamber of Commerce's support of our fight against the ban on marriage/civil unions, someone should have raised the question if Julaine and her cohorts ever researched if partnered gays and lesbians fare better than single gays and single lesbians. (This would be analagous to their claiming that married heterosexual men are much better off than when they were single.)

At 1:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jenn, Can you please post links to the studies you referenced or at least email them to Mike so that he can reference them directly rather than arbitratily as Appling does?

Also, the whole thing about "this is about creating motherless and fatherless children" is just insane. This IS about creating a stable (legally) two-parent loving household for children, IF the couple has or decides to have children. Not all married couples can or want to have kids. That doesn't disqualify them from marriage.

I think the threat to "motherless and fatherless" children are dead-beat dads and heterosexuals that continue to have many children outside of any type of stable relationship, let alone marriage.

But, you don't see Appling rallying to support stricter child support laws or trying to pass constitutional amendments banning single moms.

At 4:57 PM, Blogger Jenn said...

Below is the link to a list of articles posted on the Family Research Institute's website. As you can see merely from the titles, they are articles supporting a household with two involved parents--making no reference to the gender of the parents whatsoever.


In addition, here is a link to a website with studies supporting gay and lesbian men and women as successful parents, which was found through a simple Google search.



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